Haejin Fujimura is an advocate for human rights who uses the law to bring justice in this world. Makoto Fujimura is an artist who approaches the ineffable with a blend of tradition and abstract expressionism. They are married and believe that art, beauty and justice have more in common than you might think. They talk to Jonty about resistance, justice and how art can play a role in making the world a better place.

From fighting medical misinformation and climate change to holding the government to its pledges on drink spiking laws and tax loopholes, Jolyon Maugham and the Good Law Project are doing God’s work in Britain. We talk changing the world, facing establishment opposition and why none of us are actually drinking beer with a campaigning lawyer.